Hope is has done black magic before, but she isn't powered by it. Lizzie takes being a witch as a status or social standing, whereas Josie takes being a witch for its' literal, magical state. Both of them have done Barrier spells. Josie confesses to MG but is covering for Lizzie. The twins fight, and the stronger twin both kills and absorbs the weaker one, becoming more powerful. Walking its halls, she finds Alaric speaking with Caroline over the phone. Bonnie descends from one of the most powerful bloodlines in the show yet she would have gotten her ass handed to her by less powerful witches earlier in the series because she didn't yet know how to use her power. Obviously Lizzie had the better source of magic, but Josie still beat her. In past episodes, we've seen that Josie has a much better handle on her magic than Lizzie does. Legacies is without Hope (Danielle Rose Russell) when it kicks off its third season, and that’s not the only problem for the Super Squad. Dark Josie wanted to make Lizzie utterly powerless in the Chambre de Chasse so the merge would be easier for her. IDK about potential either. Unfollow. At least in my opinion. Press J to jump to the feed. Press J to jump to the feed. Dark Josie corners Lizzie and reveals that if Lizzie dies in the simulation, she will actually die. #3. josie/lizzie “I know I don’t do a good job at showing it, but I love you. She’s like “Lizzie don’t try and help me! Hope is strong, and she's good. Shitpost. She sees her escape word, then she and MG are shot. It doesn't appear in any feeds, and anyone with a direct link to it will see a message like this one. Also, the twins are Siphoners, and they possess no powers of their own. The spells we have seen Lizzie do, we have seen Josie do with the exception of the daylight ring spell and freezing spell. LZ#188 and above are likely stronger than LZ#157 with equal time. She didn’t need any convincing when she finds out her sister has Mommy issues and is need of someone to care for her. Josie hasn’t been codependent all season & Lizzie has become less selfish. I see this as the only reason why Josie beat Lizzie that one time, but we don’t really know how Lizzie will be if she trains and learns more. In reality, everyone but Josie, Lizzie, and Hope have awakened. It has been something she struggles with which is partially because of her bipolarity, but I know at some point she'll gain some level of control. Also, remember that Bonnie only started using her power until she was 17. hide. Right now, it seems like Josie is the front-runner. I actually think Lizzie has more potential with magic AND the ability to control it more, but she has to learn and expose herself to it to do so. If they can perform powerful spells with ease while holding and controlling large amounts of magic then I’d say the twin who’s capable of that is more powerful. Lizzie's inner strength podcast is for all things that will support you to be stronger physically, psychologically and professionally. Siphoning really only determines how much charge you have in your battery back, not how you output it. Or does it not work that way? Maybe subconsciously remembering the whole djinn thing or maybe cause she feels like magic negatively effects her mental health, etc. The things they siphon determine how long they have the charge for, not how powerful they are. I think yeah it’s pretty much a given that Lizzie is stronger because they have built it up so much that Josie is strong and the Dark Josie storyline. Josie is the stronger twin. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Posted by 16 hours ago. Ok i can see your point. The twins have been in touch with their powers since they were in utero. In Mombie Dearest, Josette is yanked awake from the afterlife and finds herself at the Salvatore Boarding School for the Young & Gifted, still wearing the blood-stained wedding gown she died in. But that's not true." I agree. Lizzie did the siphoning spell on Josie. save. The barrier spell was one of her first we saw and it covered the whole school and I remember bonnie saying it was a hard spell to do when I rewatched TVD. When they were in one of their many twin fights and it actually came to them slinging magic at one another in 1x15, Josie beat Lizzie. And how dare she get mad at Lizzie for trying to help her and then be offended when Lizzie says that Josie isn’t worthy. If I had to bet, I’d say Lizzie is actually the stronger twin, and the only reason Josie seems stronger is because she dabbled more in black magic. Lizzie and Josie's relationship with Raphael Waithe is just as interesting. In the beginning of the show, we were made to believe that Lizzie was the stronger twin and Lizzie was happily coasting as the alpha female in the relationship, only for it to do a complete 180 and Josie is showing her strength and now it seems that Josie is the stronger twin as of right now. We haven't really seen Lizzie do a lot of spells, but the ones she has done are pretty powerful and hard to do. The problem with this debate is that I don't know that these lists actually tell us anything in terms of the twins. In the beginning of the show, we were made to believe that Lizzie was the stronger twin and Lizzie was happily coasting as the alpha female in the relationship, only for it to do a complete 180 and Josie is showing her strength and now it seems that Josie is the stronger twin as of right now. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. Josie says, "I was afraid of being strong. Sarcastic Sarcastic. But I won't be surprised at all if Lizzie starts applying herself to getting stronger at magic and she pulls ahead. Even though Alyssa came through in this episode, she’s always been volatile, and besides, if MG gets wind of Lizzie’s interest, he would probably want to give it a shot with her. The stronger twin absorbs the powers of the weaker one, who dies as a result. By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. Hey guys, I know this topic is dragged out but I want some more opinions. Read Chapter 5 : Waiting for the Letter from the story Hosie - Josie Parker VOLUME 1 by Nestorjoinjoin (Nestor joinjoin) with 1,285 reads. And as far as the merge, that's a matter of will not how much each of them have siphoned before. Josie takes care of everyone she loves and puts their feeling first and not hers. Cookies help us deliver our Services. 101. The reason she could only kill her in the simulation was because she separated herself from normal Josie and was in complete control, that's my theory anyway. It is for professionals, business owners and those seeking an energy boost to make progress. There is a difference between doing a black magic spell and being powered by it. While it is true Josie didn't tell Lizzie about the kiss, quite like Klaus, she never cared enough to notice the sparks. What we’re led to believe is that Josie is the stronger twin. I think Lizzie’s stronger, she has extreme bouts of anger and such which fuel a witches’ power. Plus the spell she did to get the black magic out of jo was a pretty powerful spell too, she did it with jo when they were younger but now she could do it on her own. Josie and Lizzie are presumably the last living descendants of the Gemini Coven, so there's no reason for a leader. Their siphoning only determines how long they can perform magic for, not their power, strenght or will, that latter part is up to them and their bloodline. I thought being strong meant hurting Lizzie. Big thank you to all contributors zsalch, OlivierBlanvillain, alreadydone, TFiFiE, sinf, kaorahi, phiming, ParmuzinAlexander, infinity0, odCat, kuba97531, Ka-zam, bittsitt, apetresc and all who have helped find bugs and suggest features in the Issues page. Lizzie gets outshined with magic by Josie because of how much magic Josie does. (The stronger witch absorbs the powers of the other.) The ritual combines their powers to one source and the stronger one of the twins absorbs all the powers from the other. I'm very confused as to how siphoners work. And with that, Josie seizes her power and becomes neither the Josie she was before nor Dark Josie. I would argue that regular Josie has the same potential as Dark Josie if she had the lack of morals and inhibitions that dark Josie has. I made a story where I was powerless. We don't know. Again we could argue that Josie was being helped by black magic but it still seems that Josie is stronger. People post season one are saying its Lizzie and that Josie relies on black magic to be strong. But, how much magic is siphoned does play a role. Given that both actresses, publicly and privately, have discussed how Lizzie intentionally does not practice getting stronger in her magic the way Josie does, I still think it's too early to say. Once out of the simulation, the two filled everyone else in on the plan and Josie was moved to a … josie x lizzie legaciesedit legaciesladies josie saltzman lizzie saltzman legacies ** ultimatetoptens toptenlegacies mine: legacies mine: josie and lizzie. And then maybe something else happens that boosts Josie, ect. Lizzie tells Josie that she hopes MG is happy even if he chose Alyssa, but honestly it’s hard to believe things between MG and Alyssa are built to last. Josie siphoned a dresser (works for small spells) while Lizzie siphoned Esther's grimoire. You could argue they have the same potential for magic since neither of them have magic of their own, but then we must take into account how seriously they take being a witch. 132. I certainly hope we never find out, I don't want to lose either. This goes to show that Josie's ability to control her power even when angry makes her stronger. The back and forth between who is the stronger Saltzman twin has been going on since Legacies started. Magic is about conviction and focus. At first Lizzie seemed stronger, then Josie, it's up in the air. Follow. Now one could argue that Lizzie insecurities and low self esteem factors into her not meeting her full potential as a witch but then again when the merge happened, Lizzie lost and if it wasn’t for Hope’s plan B she would’ve died. MG lives and believes Lizzie killed Josie. share. In the Gemini Coven, when twins turn 22, they have to do the Merge. It has been seen in TVD, TO, BTVS, and in Charmed. Welcome to the Legacies subreddit. But Josie seems to have more of it. And that aside, Josie has better feats than Lizzie. Lizzie and Josie's relationship will also be put to the test, with the two reflecting on their needs and wants as sisters. So based on these feats, I still think that Josie is the stronger twin. But you said it your self that black magic is what made jo win. I’m not sure how the whole siphon thing works either but I have a idea that may help understand. That difference is beautiful hopefully they keep up for the rest of the season. And this would be even more common if the character has a mental disorder like Lizzie does (not a bad thing, but more of a reason why it happens). Lmao. But overall I still say Lizzie is the stronger twin. I think it is really obvious who is stronger. Pretty sure Josie is stronger and it has been shown she can beat Lizzie when they had a fight a while back. Hear me out. She belongs to the Gemini coven and at the age of 22 they have to merge and in this process, the weaker one dies. Josie is the stronger twin. I told myself that being powerful meant being evil, but it doesn't. Even more than I love myself.” forbescaroline . 38 comments. We see that with Kai in TVD and with the twins in TVD and Legacies. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Take the school for instance. While … Were only in S2. Josie is back to normal self and realising how much her sister is suffering. The problem is Josie is so codependent she can ever kill Lizzie on purpose, im thinking normal Josie is protecting Lizzie from dark Josie thats why she didnt kill her when locked up and thats why the dark magic isnt infecting Lizzie. No, I don’t think it will happen, and mentally and physically Josie is stronger. Sorry, this post was deleted by the person who originally posted it. It seems so. Feel free to discuss anything Legacies related. Oh, I know how you feel. Siphoning doesn't determine your strength, it just gives them the energy they need to perform magic. Listen to Lizzie's Inner Strength on Spotify. We saw in an episode that Josie is stronger than Lizzie which was a shock. spoiler. She calls out to him, gaining his startled attention. & more self aware . If Lizzie can do it by herslef, I'm pretty sure Josie can too. It would just be horrible writing if Lizzie wasn’t actually the stronger one. I think that's all I have to say, so on with the chapter! Dark Josie wanted to make Lizzie utterly powerless in the Chambre de Chasse so the merge would be easier for her. I deserve to be hated!” like stfu. Is it just me or are they making Josie stronger than Hope? At this point they've throw the fact that Josie is stronger and that both of them know it at us so many times that I'm almost expecting a switch up or something were it turns out that Lizzie is stronger or at least equal to Josie, she's just been holding back more for some reason. But the next episode it was shown that Dark Josie didn't even need to trap Lizzie their because she had the merge in the bag to begin with. That being said Josie definitely seems more knowledgeable about magic so even if she isn't stronger that still gives her the edge. 'Legacies' creator Julie Plec tells TVLine how Lizzie and Josie will handle knowing about the merge in finale and in Season 2. We're meant to see Lizzie as weaker right now though, imo, so that it will be a big moment when she first surpasses Josie later on. It's not necessarily a question of raw magical power so much as personal strength and willpower. I'm only going to use regular Josie's feats and not the ones she had from, - Containment/Barrier spell (on the school), -Bursting/offensive telekinesis spell (On Josie during the 1x15 fight), - Telekinesis (various, most notable would be stopping Hope mid air in 2x15), - Lizzie 's episodes (1x01 and 1x15, telekinesis is the only power shown), - Japanese purge spell (on Freya, Lizzie, and the rest of Mystic Falls en masse), - Harming spell (on Landon's witch admirer and on Ethan, nose bleed and arm breakage respectively), - Emotional Channeling/ dark object creation spell. I doesn't really show power, but more so a lack of control. Hope and Josie Via The CW Image: Via The CW Lizzie and MG Via The CW Lizzie and MG ... Strong Strong. What do you guys think? Losing control of your magic when you are angry/emotional is a veryyy common thing for witches. Once we get to the merge part they will explore something’s that have happened and how they always knew Lizzie was the stronger one. And that aside, Josie has better feats than Lizzie. And they have a while till the actual merge, so it is a lot of time for both twins to improve. she just lets Lizzie win all the time as she is unstable. I don't want to have to watch Lizzie and Josie struggle to see who's stronger, I don't want to have a dragon hoping it falls into a well and hits it so hard with its head that there would be no spell that could save me. Lizzie’s trying to help you. It's time for someone to remember Hope. Magic runs through the school but it is only used for small spells as Josie stated. Lizzie pushed away her own feelings to coddle Josie, until now. But the next episode it was shown that Dark Josie didn't even need to trap Lizzie their because she had the merge in the bag to begin with. Skill could also come into play. We know from The Vampire Diaries that Lizzie and Josie have been extremely powerful from a very young age. Siphoners are as strong as their memory, as they just need to siphon enough magic to make a spell work. So wouldn't each of them only be as strong as the amount of magic they've siphoned? Alarmed at the sight of his dead fiancée, he calls out to Dorian; grabbing his crossbow, he demands who, or what, she is. Plus Josie clearly can't handle the dark magic either. Dark Josie was powerful because she kept inhaling an insane amount of dark magic not because dark magic made her suddenly more powerful. I took inventory of all of Josie's singular feats and Lizzie's singular feats. Feel free to discuss anything Legacies related. On 'Legacies', Josie and Lizzie are the only two survivors of the Gemini coven - so there are no other options for a leader but them. In the last episode, we saw Josie and Raph share a thoughtful and passionate kiss, and Josie had the longest crush on the new Alpha. This subreddit is dedicated to the CW TV show "Legacies" that debuted on October 25th, 2018. You’re making this worse! The more of both, the stronger spells you can cast. Lizzie was born on March 15, 2014 and is the daughter of Alaric and Jo, being part of a set of twins with Josie. I think we did have some Easter eggs showing Lizzie to have a very strong mind, when she was able to control that Japanese demon thing which only one person was able to do from what we know so far. I get that. This is like who’s going to win wizards competition, Justin or Alex? Jo doesn't understand what is going on and asks him to put the crossbow down. So it makes sense to me that Josie would have a stronger grasp on her magical abilities than Lizzie, as well as being more comfortable using her magic, which you'll see in this chapter. Dark jo even said it " If it wasn't for me you would have never survived" I feel like it's still in the air of who is stronger. I think they're deliberately leaving it open regarding who the stronger twin is, and I don't think anything we've seen is definitive yet. if for some reason this merge actually takes place. You can’t tell me that Josie is fine with being hated. Josie is stronger, black magic or not. I mean, it pushed her to the point of a psychotic break where she was going around murdering everybody in that simulation, and who knows what she's up to in the next episode. Josie clearly educated herself more on magic throughout the years while Lizzie was a bit more passive I think. Yes, but here's the thing. In terms of power, anyway. Maybe it's more of a who cna pull off the better spell with the least amount of magic/same amount of magic? Lizzie and Josie's relationship will also be put to the test, with the two reflecting on their needs and wants as sisters. Welcome to the Legacies subreddit. I honestly don't know about Lizzie's control. Depending on how long the show goes, they're intended to flip flop in their odds of winning the Merge. Since they have to siphon magic from other things, wouldn’t it be best to distinguish who’s more powerful by how they well they use extensive amounts of magic or even just regular amounts of magic. Strenght isn't determined by the amount of magic you have but how well equipped you are to use it. It turns out, my heart couldn't take seeing Josie in pain again. ... Lizzie with wig vs no wig. I love the twins so much.Show: LegaciesSong: Avicii - Wake Me Up #legacies #josieandlizzie #fanvidfeedI DON’T OWN ANYTHING BUT THE EDITING OF THIS VIDEO While I do agree that at times emotions can fuel a witch's power, I don't think Lizzie's episodes make her stronger. She is also the surrogate daughter of Caroline as the twins were put magically into her womb by the Gemini Coven. Lizzie was ultimately saved from dark Josie's wrath via Hope's last minute intervention. Dark Josie was POWERED by it while Josie did it. report. I think right NOW it is Josie, but I also think a large part of that is she also explores magic more. Additionally, in Legacies‘ season 1 finale, Lizzie and Josie found the ascendant. Black magic was involved with q handful of Jo’s spells. This subreddit is dedicated to the CW TV show "Legacies" that debuted on October 25th, 2018. If we were talking about Hope (or any of the other witches for that matter), yes I'd say her strength could be measured by the type and power of spells she's capable of. Once they have magic in them, regardless of where it comes from, it's up to them and their will how powerful they are. Am I the only one that still thinks that Josie is stronger and will win the proper merge? He's on the season 3 poster. Based on the fact that Josie is the bigger bookworm than Lizzie I would say that she's stronger, New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. Right now, Josie is definitely stronger and I don't doubt that her studiousness plays a role. A spell they did together to yank the Hollow out of Hope in TO and that Kai did by himself on Mystic falls. Josie and Alaric were tasked with watching over Lizzie, and the super popular cheerleader version of Josie was sick of it. Lizzie sees her word but is not released. Oh, and there's an Oni to fight, because Malivore, and this is Legacies season 2, episode 4 after all. Or they may pull something strange, like having them be perfectly evenly matched and have that swerve the whole merge thing somehow. But Josie and Lizzie are powered by magic they've siphoned. "I've been consulting with the spirits." They don't suddenly become more powerful because they siphoned something or someone powerful, that just determines the length of their battery charge. I think that the reason that Josie beat Lizzie in that fight was because Lizzie hesitated while Josie pushed. Which I really think Lizzie is and I think their parents know as well because a parent always knows these things. Theyre both still young, who's stronger now may not be when it's time for them to merge at 22. Look at Hope.
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