*When Patti Van Leer took organic chemistry in college, she found herself dreaming about carbon molecules and chemical reactions. Also ask a shit ton of questions if you don't understand and don't think twice about it. .ehsOqYO6dxn_Pf9Dzwu37{margin-top:0;overflow:visible}._2pFdCpgBihIaYh9DSMWBIu{height:24px}._2pFdCpgBihIaYh9DSMWBIu.uMPgOFYlCc5uvpa2Lbteu{border-radius:2px}._2pFdCpgBihIaYh9DSMWBIu.uMPgOFYlCc5uvpa2Lbteu:focus,._2pFdCpgBihIaYh9DSMWBIu.uMPgOFYlCc5uvpa2Lbteu:hover{background-color:var(--newRedditTheme-navIconFaded10);outline:none}._38GxRFSqSC-Z2VLi5Xzkjy{color:var(--newCommunityTheme-actionIcon)}._2DO72U0b_6CUw3msKGrnnT{border-top:none;color:var(--newCommunityTheme-metaText);cursor:pointer;padding:8px 16px 8px 8px;text-transform:none}._2DO72U0b_6CUw3msKGrnnT:hover{background-color:#0079d3;border:none;color:var(--newCommunityTheme-body);fill:var(--newCommunityTheme-body)} Everyone talks about how hard o-chem is, and I just don't see it. Hi everyone, I'm new to the whole medical system. It also requires decent understanding of how to render the molecules in your head. It's also hard because since it is a huge premed class, the professors most schools get are not the best. Just like anything else. Then before the test I redo all of the book problems. .c_dVyWK3BXRxSN3ULLJ_t{border-radius:4px 4px 0 0;height:34px;left:0;position:absolute;right:0;top:0}._1OQL3FCA9BfgI57ghHHgV3{-ms-flex-align:center;align-items:center;display:-ms-flexbox;display:flex;-ms-flex-pack:start;justify-content:flex-start;margin-top:32px}._1OQL3FCA9BfgI57ghHHgV3 ._33jgwegeMTJ-FJaaHMeOjV{border-radius:9001px;height:32px;width:32px}._1OQL3FCA9BfgI57ghHHgV3 ._1wQQNkVR4qNpQCzA19X4B6{height:16px;margin-left:8px;width:200px}._39IvqNe6cqNVXcMFxFWFxx{display:-ms-flexbox;display:flex;margin:12px 0}._39IvqNe6cqNVXcMFxFWFxx ._29TSdL_ZMpyzfQ_bfdcBSc{-ms-flex:1;flex:1}._39IvqNe6cqNVXcMFxFWFxx .JEV9fXVlt_7DgH-zLepBH{height:18px;width:50px}._39IvqNe6cqNVXcMFxFWFxx ._3YCOmnWpGeRBW_Psd5WMPR{height:12px;margin-top:4px;width:60px}._2iO5zt81CSiYhWRF9WylyN{height:18px;margin-bottom:4px}._2iO5zt81CSiYhWRF9WylyN._2E9u5XvlGwlpnzki78vasG{width:230px}._2iO5zt81CSiYhWRF9WylyN.fDElwzn43eJToKzSCkejE{width:100%}._2iO5zt81CSiYhWRF9WylyN._2kNB7LAYYqYdyS85f8pqfi{width:250px}._2iO5zt81CSiYhWRF9WylyN._1XmngqAPKZO_1lDBwcQrR7{width:120px}._3XbVvl-zJDbcDeEdSgxV4_{border-radius:4px;height:32px;margin-top:16px;width:100%}._2hgXdc8jVQaXYAXvnqEyED{animation:_3XkHjK4wMgxtjzC1TvoXrb 1.5s ease infinite;background:linear-gradient(90deg,var(--newCommunityTheme-field),var(--newCommunityTheme-inactive),var(--newCommunityTheme-field));background-size:200%}._1KWSZXqSM_BLhBzkPyJFGR{background-color:var(--newCommunityTheme-widgetColors-sidebarWidgetBackgroundColor);border-radius:4px;padding:12px;position:relative;width:auto} Organic chemistry is just a ton of work, but I would say the basic concepts are easy. I bought myself that ball and stick model kit which was extremely valuable for my understanding. That way, in class they just do practice problems. It has the New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. Definitely go into it with an open mindset (completely forget the weed-out rumors about this subject) and treat it like any other class. I'm needing to fulfill my depth requirement so I'm thinking of either CHEM 264 (Organic Chemistry) or CHEM 266 (Basic Organic Chemistry), since it forms a prerequisite chain of three with CHEM 120 and CHEM 123. Eh, drawing structures can actually be a bit of a pain(especially for any biological molecules, even the smallest). What you need to do is to understand the demands on this course in order to do well. Reddit's home for wholesome discussion related to pre-medical studies. 9:26 AM - 21 May 2016 RedditâJokes Organic chemistry is difficult submitted August 2, ⦠Should I take the class or will it be extremely hard? I've heard bad things about him. ._2YJDRz5rCYQfu8YdgB_neb{overflow:hidden;position:relative}._2YJDRz5rCYQfu8YdgB_neb:before{background-image:url(https://www.redditstatic.com/desktop2x/img/reddit_pattern.png);content:"";filter:var(--newCommunityTheme-invertFilter);height:100%;position:absolute;width:100%}._37WD6iicVS6vGN0RomNTwh{padding:0 12px 12px;position:relative} Or they just had a terribly difficult professor. Once you do their practice you can tackle the harder things a lot easier. Why is it that the Chem 266 students always say that it is the same. So they do a bit more work in 264 than in 266. re-do those practice problems before an exam. If you don't know basic first year chemistry and are not able to get some kind of a grasp on interactions and how mechanisms work, you're boned. People say orgo is hard because there is no easy way around it. It's alright. ._1x9diBHPBP-hL1JiwUwJ5J{font-size:14px;font-weight:500;line-height:18px;color:#ff585b;padding-left:3px;padding-right:24px}._2B0OHMLKb9TXNdd9g5Ere-,._1xKxnscCn2PjBiXhorZef4{height:16px;padding-right:4px;vertical-align:top}._1LLqoNXrOsaIkMtOuTBmO5{height:20px;padding-right:8px;vertical-align:bottom}.isInIcons2020 .icon._1LLqoNXrOsaIkMtOuTBmO5{vertical-align:middle}.QB2Yrr8uihZVRhvwrKuMS{height:18px;padding-right:8px;vertical-align:top}._3w_KK8BUvCMkCPWZVsZQn0{font-size:14px;font-weight:500;line-height:18px;color:var(--newCommunityTheme-actionIcon)}._3w_KK8BUvCMkCPWZVsZQn0 ._1LLqoNXrOsaIkMtOuTBmO5,._3w_KK8BUvCMkCPWZVsZQn0 ._2B0OHMLKb9TXNdd9g5Ere-,._3w_KK8BUvCMkCPWZVsZQn0 ._1xKxnscCn2PjBiXhorZef4,._3w_KK8BUvCMkCPWZVsZQn0 .QB2Yrr8uihZVRhvwrKuMS{fill:var(--newCommunityTheme-actionIcon)} Others suck at both. It's more memory intensive though once you hit reactions but there is a logic and mechanism with a lot of reaction. Students dread the class for many reasons, and itâs rumored to cause more pre-med dropouts than any other subject. I did well in orgo chem by doing as much review and practice as I could, there's no way you can really cheat the system for the course. I wouldn't recommend taking it if you're just doing it to fulfill the depth prereq. I honestly feel organic chemistry shouldn't be feared at all. The major reason to take 264 is if you want to take further than second year organic chemistry. "hard" is a subjective and relative term. In my class we do a chapter a week, so I read 1/3 of the chapter before class and do the problems. Organic chemistry is hard to those who want to memorize the reactants and products. You'll definitely find trends as to the importance of certain compounds. Chances are that the people that told you that its a hard class didn't put enough time/effort in it. January 11, 2011, Hari M, Leave a comment. By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. .s5ap8yh1b4ZfwxvHizW3f{color:var(--newCommunityTheme-metaText);padding-top:5px}.s5ap8yh1b4ZfwxvHizW3f._19JhaP1slDQqu2XgT3vVS0{color:#ea0027} Its very different than other chemistry fields. ._3-SW6hQX6gXK9G4FM74obr{display:inline-block;vertical-align:text-bottom;width:16px;height:16px;font-size:16px;line-height:16px} I think the stigma hurts people because they just think it'll be too hard. treat it like any other class. Organic chemistry is a branch of chemistry that studies the structure, properties and reactions of organic compounds, which contain carbon in covalent bonding. begin. In math, as long as you have your key rules, you should be able to solve a problem. Not sure why people struggle. How to succeed: Get orgo as a 2nd language (semester 1 & 2), watch all Khan Academy videos on orgo, do all problem sets on time, attend every single section available, make sure the professor knows who you are (Sit at the front center of the lecture hall!!!). For organic chemistry, you have to practice. A little o-chem a day helps also. i would recommend that you go to the campus and try to find students who have taken the intro to chemistry ⦠The MCAT will expect you to be familiar with these basic organic chemistry tools, and we will walk through the details you need to know of each technique in our Ch. You could not be further from the truth. All the reactions you learn come back, and need to be accounted for. Organic chemistry has long been seen as one of the most difficult subjects required of prospective medical school students. Press J to jump to the feed. Organic chemistry is just a ton of work, but I would say the basic concepts are easy. We had one guy who did really well but his memory was insane: he could recite entire lectures pretty much word for word. The biggest Bullshit of all in 266. It was also the only course through all undergrad where I spent time going to office hours with the prof to get him to explain more in-depth. be sure to know how compounds react with each other. I found the material to be much more difficult than gen chem, though i did better in organic than i did in gen chem ( A in organic 1, b+ in both gen chems) just because i thought it was interesting. I actually will be taking it again because I got a C in part one (had an emotional breakdown half way through from family issues). I don't know how it works here but where I took it there were no "lectures", you just did the assignments in class and outside of class, a lot of group work, and wrote midterms/quizzes and he answered specific questions about the assignments etc. Maybe that is because I'm a trained scientist. In another life I could probably do it for a living. I thought lectures were exclusively for sitting and listening. I had to make these bad chemistry jokes because all the good ones Argon. ._3Im6OD67aKo33nql4FpSp_{border:1px solid var(--newCommunityTheme-widgetColors-sidebarWidgetBorderColor);border-radius:5px 5px 4px 4px;overflow:visible;word-wrap:break-word;background-color:var(--newCommunityTheme-body);padding:12px}.lnK0-OzG7nLFydTWuXGcY{font-size:10px;font-weight:700;letter-spacing:.5px;line-height:12px;text-transform:uppercase;padding-bottom:4px;color:var(--newCommunityTheme-navIcon)} I did the relevant problems after we went over a particular section and grinded out those same practice problems over and over again before a huge exam. ._12xlue8dQ1odPw1J81FIGQ{display:inline-block;vertical-align:middle} PharmacyStudent 70 replies 143 threads Junior Member. I don't think chemistry is inherently more or less difficult than other physical sciences. Obviously there is so much crossover between the various physical sciences that now it's hard to say where chemistry ends and where physics, biology, etc. I'm guessing you had Chong? I would say Organic chemistry is easier if you can easily discern patterns and can commit a lot to memory. There are many classes that you take and you feel really confident. That said, it hasn't been miserable. You need to sit down and work in the class from day one. Twitter DansGamingâ @Dansgaming Organic chem is hard. ._3gbb_EMFXxTYrxDZ2kusIp{margin-bottom:24px;text-transform:uppercase;width:100%}._3gbb_EMFXxTYrxDZ2kusIp:last-child{margin-bottom:10px} But as she continued her medical education, she couldn't see why she had been forced to slog through the course, a tormentor of young souls that has persuaded countless would-be ⦠Is Organic Chemistry really as hard as people say? What Does an Organic Chemist Does . Chemistry has always been one of my better subjects. Because mine offers full 12 week and then shorter 6 week terms in the summer. I am just wondering how difficult it is. Organic Chemistry is difficult in a different way from General Chemistry. I've never had a lecture with practice problems (that's what labs/tutorials are for!). Don't listen to people that tell you that it'll be the death of you. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Pretty lame, I know, lol. I did well in General Chemistry and well on the organic chemistry portions we had in it, as well as the ones we had in high school. 5 years ago. There were so many times during the pre-health journey that I doubted myself. Is organic chemistry that hard? The site may not work properly if you don't, If you do not update your browser, we suggest you visit, Press J to jump to the feed. ._3bX7W3J0lU78fp7cayvNxx{max-width:208px;text-align:center} Relevance. Also, it seems to be one of those courses where many just lack the cognitive abilities to excel in (I.e spatial rotation/visualization of molecules). Another reason chemistry is hard is that you've been told it's hard. They made it into having to read the material before coming to class. I honestly didn't think that it was that hard and once I was done with part two I kind of wished I could take it again. The only way you'll do good in Organic Chem is if you practice because it's an area of study where reading a textbook and trying to absorb information just won't cut it. Can't answer 1 and 2 since I took engineering orgo chem. /*# sourceMappingURL=https://www.redditstatic.com/desktop2x/chunkCSS/ReredditLink.f7b66a91705891e84a09.css.map*/YOU GOT THIS! New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. I can't answer 1. and 2. because I haven't done any undergraduate courses here, I've just come here to do graduate studies, but I did a full year of Organic Chem two years ago in my 2nd year and it was pretty bad. Unofficial Student and Alumni-run Reddit for the University of Waterloo community. Don't slack and always do the practice problems, whether they be provided within the textbook, in discussion sections, on online homework systems, or in the professors' old exams, any practice problems you can find basically. One of the reasons many students find Organic chemistry so difficult is because Organic chemistry is a very demanding course. There should be a bunch of practice problems in the book and I would suggest studying enough to understand the basics behind each chapter and then attempting every problem for that chapter. This video tutorial provides a basic introduction into organic chemistry. Anyways, feel free to message me if you ever need help. To do well on exams make sure you are able to get previous exams (learn the professor's exam making style) and do them! There's no bones about it, Organic Chem is hard. Does 264/266 do basic chemistry review before moving on to organic chemistry? @keyframes ibDwUVR1CAykturOgqOS5{0%{transform:rotate(0deg)}to{transform:rotate(1turn)}}._3LwT7hgGcSjmJ7ng7drAuq{--sizePx:0;font-size:4px;position:relative;text-indent:-9999em;border-radius:50%;border:4px solid var(--newCommunityTheme-bodyTextAlpha20);border-left-color:var(--newCommunityTheme-body);transform:translateZ(0);animation:ibDwUVR1CAykturOgqOS5 1.1s linear infinite}._3LwT7hgGcSjmJ7ng7drAuq,._3LwT7hgGcSjmJ7ng7drAuq:after{width:var(--sizePx);height:var(--sizePx)}._3LwT7hgGcSjmJ7ng7drAuq:after{border-radius:50%}._3LwT7hgGcSjmJ7ng7drAuq._2qr28EeyPvBWAsPKl-KuWN{margin:0 auto} Hi everyone, I'm new to the whole medical system. Study of structure determines their chemical composition and formula.Study of properties includes physical and chemical properties, and evaluation of chemical ⦠I thought ochem was easier than gen chem. Do lots of practice problems. 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